A Place to Thrive
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I like the feeling of lamentation on this track, the call and response of the sax, yet it is not without hope. We still have to chance to rise to new heights and make the Earth a place to thrive
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10 décembre 2022 à 19:52
Wade
I hear you brother! So good of you to join in and use this as a vehicle for your fine and caring poetry.
We all recognize the situation and consequences, but few stop themselves from consuming (especially this time of year) or consider that possibly they shouldn't be having children, which both adds to the underlying problem and, it seems, will be an almost incomprehensibly difficult life for them. I'd love to be optimistic, yet see few/no substantive changes in consumption and the "self interest" rationalizations of individuals.
As a scientist I work with trees and the environment, so see principles of the natural world in action. All species have the goal to perpetuate themselves up to the point that they are kept in check by predators, disease or simply outstrip their environment and starve to death.
Humans, as a part of that natural world, have manipulated the limitations of predators, disease, and food supplies, but are subsequently, due to overpopulation and over-consumption, destroying the underlying basis of entire ecosystems.
An extreme crash is inevitable as the web of life is complex in ways we currently barely grasp. There are simply too many people, many who understand and voice their intellectual understanding, yet presume that everything they want/need will still be available in the supermarket and water will always come from the tap.
Action, blame, and fighting over scarce resources seems inevitable when the shelves are bare and clean water is no longer available. Until then words and hope are comforting, but without extreme action the outcome for us and much of the natural world is (unfortunately) very predictable. We are a part of nature and subject to all of it's principles. +2
We all recognize the situation and consequences, but few stop themselves from consuming (especially this time of year) or consider that possibly they shouldn't be having children, which both adds to the underlying problem and, it seems, will be an almost incomprehensibly difficult life for them. I'd love to be optimistic, yet see few/no substantive changes in consumption and the "self interest" rationalizations of individuals.
As a scientist I work with trees and the environment, so see principles of the natural world in action. All species have the goal to perpetuate themselves up to the point that they are kept in check by predators, disease or simply outstrip their environment and starve to death.
Humans, as a part of that natural world, have manipulated the limitations of predators, disease, and food supplies, but are subsequently, due to overpopulation and over-consumption, destroying the underlying basis of entire ecosystems.
An extreme crash is inevitable as the web of life is complex in ways we currently barely grasp. There are simply too many people, many who understand and voice their intellectual understanding, yet presume that everything they want/need will still be available in the supermarket and water will always come from the tap.
Action, blame, and fighting over scarce resources seems inevitable when the shelves are bare and clean water is no longer available. Until then words and hope are comforting, but without extreme action the outcome for us and much of the natural world is (unfortunately) very predictable. We are a part of nature and subject to all of it's principles. +2
10 décembre 2022 à 19:58
waynevisser
Thanks for these reflections Wade. We face a dire situation with the collapse of nature and the sixth mass extinction, not to mention the climate crisis, and yet I am more hopeful than you (my book "Thriving" explains why). But that hope is grounded in action across the board. Glad to find another concerned citizen and scientist: if only more people listened to the science.
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10 décembre 2022 à 20:54
Wade
Hope is good as being resigned to a disastrous future certainly isn't likely to help. Yet I don't see much changing. Good thoughts and wishes isn't going to make much of a difference.
How about all countries of the world (and the vast majority of their citizens) accepting and believing that increasing their GDP is fundamentally the right thing to do? That's not decreasing consumption or even just trying to keep it at the same level. It's an embedded mind set that promotes all aspects of growth. How do we "grow" economies, population, or anything without checks in a closed finite system/world? Plainly and simply it's an impossibility.
Climate change action is an obvious immediate reaction that's coming about too late. It's recognizing a problem only after it has directly affected enough people and places. It can no longer credibly be denied but relegated to trusting governments to do the right thing instead of consumers. Action to prevent it needed to have happened decades ago. It's the canary in the coal mine who is dying and the miners are desperately trying to save the canary's life instead of recognizing that the mine is a death trap.
Hope can be good, but it can also make people complacent...a thought. +1
How about all countries of the world (and the vast majority of their citizens) accepting and believing that increasing their GDP is fundamentally the right thing to do? That's not decreasing consumption or even just trying to keep it at the same level. It's an embedded mind set that promotes all aspects of growth. How do we "grow" economies, population, or anything without checks in a closed finite system/world? Plainly and simply it's an impossibility.
Climate change action is an obvious immediate reaction that's coming about too late. It's recognizing a problem only after it has directly affected enough people and places. It can no longer credibly be denied but relegated to trusting governments to do the right thing instead of consumers. Action to prevent it needed to have happened decades ago. It's the canary in the coal mine who is dying and the miners are desperately trying to save the canary's life instead of recognizing that the mine is a death trap.
Hope can be good, but it can also make people complacent...a thought. +1
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