Yoohoo Drummers...I have a question

I would normally just ask MPointon this type of question but he is busy doing his thing.

What is the proper technical term for when the music stops and the drummer is doing what I call a turnaround?

An example would be 4:16 - 4:20 .
Notice the entire band holds the note then Bonham "turns the song around to point the listener to the next section of song.

Again he does it at the songs climax starting 7:01 then does the turn arounmd while the band freezes motionless at 7:09. The band then reached a climax and does the famous drum roll while the entire band is just holding the long note.

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Notice all the musicians reach a crescendo or "paused point"? Yet the drummer is active moving the track into the next passage?
Its more then "just a drum fill" as the entire band is focused on the drummer and the drummer becomes essentially the leader everyone is waiting for to start playing again.
There has to be a drummer term for when that happens.


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Greg Bissonette does it starting at 0:56. Band hits crecendo then waits and listens for Greg to start the music going in a new direction.

I LOVE when a track does this and everyones looking at the drummer.It makes a song really dynamic. The band has to play as one entity.

Is there a proper technical term for where you are "pausing the beat" yet "turning around " the listener and using a fill to roll into the next passage?

Anytime I hear a drummer do this its almost like to me , its a Big Band type move like a Gene Krupa thing.

Its fascinating when drummers do this. The entire band just holds a note while the drummer using a fill changes the direction of the song,

This is just the most well known song I can think of at the moment that does it but anytime I hear a song utilize it, Its like a creative spark goes off drumming wise because the drummer is in control of the band for those breif few seconds and everyones listening to him to start playing again.

My question is simply, is this just called "A Turnaround"? I dont see much discussed about it and only a good band can pull it off because everyone has to change focus and divert attention to the drummer before playing again.

My drumming bible doesnt mention a thing about it...
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Thanks in advance. I was hoping to lookup some experts to study their turnaround techniques this weekend.

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OK friend. I am not an Anglo-Saxon speaker and therefore I am always afraid of not interpreting the text I read correctly. If I understand what you are asking there are only two words "set up"

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According to this definition, the term you`re looking for would be "Drum Fill":
A drum fill is when the drummer switches up from the main beat to help the band transition into another song section. Generally speaking, the main groove of a track will be played with a steady pulse on the hi-hat or ride cymbal. With a drum fill, you often stop that pulse and play something on the snare and toms.
(Source: Sloan School of Music)
Slightly surprised, as to my understanding a fill is just that, a fill of an empty space. But according to this definition it`s also a transition.

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Hey LittleWing...Not sure of a specific "Term" but "Turnarounds" is more of a musical contextual term that is used to define a switch in the music the band is playing.
Ezio is correct, in drumming it is a "Set-Up" that the drummer initiates the ques for these changes. As we know the drummer is really the leader in the band...LOL. :D My early drumming was in a jazz stage band in high school and learned this technique. You will hear tons of these "Set-Up's" in classical jazz music.
A lot of early rock drummers all got their chops from the jazz greats of the time and some of it found it's way into early Rock music.
Awesome you have the video of Gregg Bissonnette :W The guy is a "Masterclass Drummer". A lot of people don't know who he is, but he has played with anyone and everyone. He is a walking encyclopedia of drumming and drummers..super fun to listen to.
Here is a great video of him breaking down a lot of basic drumming skills and techniques from all the greats and how the influences merged....quotes a lot of Bonhman styles:W
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Okay I will Google "Drumming Set Up Technique". I will try looking that up. Thank you EZ!

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Yeah well....its alot more then a "just a fill. when executed. I would think there is a technical name for it but hey Ive been wrong before.

There is alot happening whan it during a live performance.

YES the drummer plays a fill while the band pauses but musically the entire band suddenly looks to the drummer to lead the band. That requires every band member to change focus as the success of the performace hinges on that moment, unlike say a bass solo or drum solo where after awhile a band that plays together alot actually ignores the soloist and takes 5 . The solo can go on 5 minutes or 5 days. Noone cares.

I picked up that term "Turnaround " somewhere and thats exactly what the drummer is doing but I wanted to know the proper grammatical term for the technique to look up those who are considered "masters " at it.

Also I do agree with my earlier observation, the entire concept of "turning around the direction of the song" seems very heavily rooted in Big Band, Swing and Boogie Woogie and that would make sense as doing it in anything other then 4/4 would be harder.

Thanks but I dont know if Im convinced there isnt a a name someone, somewhere came up with thats used in studios when they ask a drummer to to di.

I absolutley love when any drummer does it .

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To me it's just a drum fill, and when it lasts longer than 2 measures it's pretty much a drum solo. In french we often use the term "break" for those kind of drum fills, don't know if it's used in english. Sometimes we use "roulement de batterie" (which is "drum roll") but I know it should only be used for a specific drum technique.

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is it similar to a segue? except staying within the same song or transitioning into something else.
"In live performance, a segue can occur during a jam session, where the improvisation of the end of one song progresses into a new song."

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