Giving credits to your fellow musicians - fair enough or unnecessary?

I’m probably lost in translation here, but this kind of track remixing is, for me, the foundation of Wikiloops. I fail to understand why replacing a bass track with a different bass track, while keeping the additions before and after that bass track, would be wrong — as long as the result is posted in the same remix tree, obviously, and isn’t just uploaded as "my own work" without any attribution.

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I think the attribution is the main issue here.

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Yes, I think that’s what causes a lot of irritation.



That’s a very good question. With ‚being consumed‘ I mean the lack of good manners indeed. Just being listened to isn’t a bad thing, not at all. Maybe my expectations are a bit too high since I usually would at least leave a thumb if I use a track of another member. That’s the way I am, just trying to be polite as an active member of the community.

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My takeaways from this thread:

- keep people informed about what you do with their tracks even if it takes a little extra effort,

- act as if you're a guest on Wikiloops and not the owner,

- don't do anything that might lead Dick to invest time on technical implementation stuff. I need him to focus on getting rid of the sequencer setting when choosing multiple instruments B)

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Somewhat related but for me this falls in the manners and respect category:
I feel very strongly about submitting some form of a Thank You whenever a comment is left on one of my remixes.
Some time back, months I'm sure, something changed and now the only way to make sure that I've done my thank-you's is to open the actual song URLs and check. Pretty sure my thank you comments were visible in my feed before. I hope I'm explaining this in a way that's understood. I understand the ongoing quest for less system resource consumption but perhaps this change might lead to less interaction, which is in conflict with WL core principles.
Another way to say this is that, in Newsfeed view, it used to display in a fully expanded format, including my Thank You's. Perhaps you all know a better way to do what I want.
Yes, I'm old school. My momma used to make sure I sent Thank You letters. Actually, my wife still sends 'em. I digress.

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@Bradford

I`m probably one of the worst offenders and you`re absolutely right, even a simple Thank You for a comment shouldn`t be too difficult, especially as I am grateful for each and every comment and interaction. So ... THANK YOU for reminding me ;)

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I echo this newsfeed view Bradford, something changed, usually requires an additional step to open the track in a separate window to check replies/activity/etc. I liked the previous newsfeed format where all replies and views could be viewed inline w/o additional clicks to open a new window. As it sits now, it seems you can miss interactions in it's current state.

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Yes, that seemed to be the case. We are not discussing the wikiloops standard case of two bassists creating different remixes of the same track - these branch-offs are absolutely fine. I posted some scenarios on what I called "cross-mixing" whilst you were typing your post, I hope these help dissolve the misunderstanding.



As you may imagine (now that the "live" panel is visible to you), I was kinda worried the large amount of "listener" activity that is visible now might trigger the "look at those ill-mannered consumers!" emotion. It does reveal (amongs other things) that there is a lot of otherwise echo-less listening activity on this site.
That's why I'm hoping to be able to distinguish which impressions users have, but that's another threads topic :)

To follow up on mySounds attempt to state take-aways, here are mine:
1. I will move on to working on the extended user blocking feature. I do not see that as a tool to educate or punish people, I see it as a missing tool to have so we don't step on each others toes.
2. I would like to come back to the mentoring and manners aspects discussed here - I would prefer role-modelling and smart nudging towards manners, and I do have some ideas on that which I'll pass by your eyes first
3. I'll check what happened to the comment display on newsfeeds - but guys, please, open separate threads for such feedback in the future :)

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