The Truth About Popular Music

Lol guys I know booty is important but this is a serious matter :O

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haha That got me thinking just now of starting my own website "whiskeyloops.com" ... where we all get really drunk and play our instruments ... :) Wait .. I guess that already happens here occasionally. :O :P

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Hahaha....hik....you ffun..ny man...haha...hik...burp

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I just wrote a song about aliens trying to steal my beer, I do not believe I am in the catagory of pop music even though the intelligence level of my music is dropping at a simular rate.
Dont forget as was metioned mo-town and also a band of recording artists called the wrecking crew( great documentary on netflix about them) pop music has always had corporate interests and its no suprise that when marketing to people with shorter and shorter attention spans that the money is found in simple music without deep messages that get people dancing to uncomplicated grooves, dripping in catch phrase sounding hooks.
The tech revolution has shortened attention spans while also giving younger people access to decision making when it comes to music. When I was 12 I did not get to buy a lot of music, now 8 year olds have itunes gift cards given to them. Its normal for markets to attempt to appeal to a target and when the market gets younger it would be expected for the music to be less grown up and more fart joke in nature. The big problem is the lack of parenting that has allowed pop stars to use sex as a lure to get an audience,

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Loopers can be cool . See this guy loop. https://youtu.be/GxdAqDC9sHw

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Good thread, this :)
I'd support the position that singing about booty belongs in music, and might even have been the genuine motivation to invent music. I guess the eldest known song about booty must date back to before the invention of the wheel. Bottom line, singing about beauty and booty (and aliens stealing beer, too) is not a negative quality criterium by itself. C'mon, Zappa released Sheik Yerbooty, now don't say that's pop.

The one general thing that can really be said about the genre pop in all times is:
It's extremely popular for a short while, so it could rightfully claim to be the best contemporary music if popularity is your quality index (see what democracy does sometimes).
If thats not your criterium, there's still no need to bash pop, I see very little pop artists trying to pretend they were the new Beethoven, but somehow the "more serious" musicians seem to feel a need to claim they could have been the better popstars... and I'm affraid that's not prooveable if you don't sell like some auto-tuned booty queen :)
I'm not affraid we'll be living to see the day where music ends in robot sound (there's actually some thoughts about that in Orwells "1984" which I happened to read once more lately),
there are just as many phantastic real musicians out there as in any time before, and the really artistically interesting folks were almost never the most popular, or lost popularity once they became more artistic (think of late beatles albums compared to their early ones).

KMStar is absolutely right on the youngens joining the market and having an impact on the charts which they never had before - I think I bought my first own music at the age of 13, and that was a much bigger deal than using grannys iTunes gift card on my cool phone, involved going to a different town, visiting a real music store and paying with real cash ... that's what is changing the pop market.

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Music nowadays is much easier to get and it's coming to us in a larger scale thru all kinds of media then decades ago. It's more of a moneymaking business also. To make music is easier also , although it's maybe not that easy to get a record deal, because the music you make has to be moneymakin in the eyes of the recordcompanies I guess.
But if you look around the different media you can find real good musicians who still make music with they're Hart and soul. And that can be all kinds of music ,cause tastes are different for everyone . Every new generation grows up with a new sound of (pop)music also.
I am glad that at wikiloops there are a LOT of people with great taste of music!
:)

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What seems interesting to me (apart from all other things said here) is that that the music industry is blaming the consumers (at least some of them) for undermining the market. A very interesting statement in the light of the points in the video....

Also, i wonder what Mr Gordy and Mr Ertegün would say about this subject if they where still alive

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If we define Pop music as a genre or style, and not as being high in the charts, then there are so many excellent, talented pop musiciens around, most of them you can see on youtube and on wikiloops but not on a record. In fact we have an explosion of great musicians that you do not know because they have no money behind them.
The music industry is a different thing, and that has definitly getting worse since the 60ies. There is even a political dimension to it with negatively minded indiduals who know what they are doing when impregnating their "music" with their satanic symbolism to brainwash and dumb the unsuspecting population to have them as their consumer slaves.
Yet still there is beautiful pop music out there, inspired artists. Adele comes to mind, as an example...

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Lutz...Thanks for bringing This Subject To Light..."MUSIC INDUSTRY"
I agree...The Music Industry Has Changed..Thank Goodness...and It Will Continue To Change.
BUT I Also believe the Music of The People Will Never Change.
As Long as People have a Song in Their Heart they are going to find a way to Express It.
Today...well... Music is Way TOO TOO Easy to Come By...as far as Availability and Access Goes.
A Musician Always Makes Music Out Of Joy and Emotions First.
You Want To Make Money at it then you have to Market it Like a Business Man.
My Priorities Regarding Making Music are as Follows:
#1 Understand the Real History Of Music...Music did not Start with the Blues...The Cave Man and The Creatures of The Earth had Music Way Before any of This Modern Form of Music.
#2 Study The Types and Forms and Genres of Music that Developed during the Development Of Mankind and you will have a Better Understanding Where Music Is Headed in The Future.
#3 Ask People What Kind Of Music They Like...And WHY They Like It
#4 Know The Differences Between Composers, Songwriters, Lyricists, Vocalists,Musicians, Promoters, Producers,Record Companies, and Most Important.... "INVESTORS"
#5 Then Figure Out The Best Ways To Promote Your Music For Free
Or To Promote It To Make a Living At It.
#6 If Music Is ALL YOU DO FOR A LIVING...Then You ARE in The Music Business
#7 It's Up To You How You Run Your Music Business...Don't Let Anyone Else.
TOdays Music Business is about Making A Living and That Means Making Money.
#8 How Much Is a SONG Worth? in Dollars and Cents ?
#9 Copyright All Your Original Music, It's the Only Way To Protect Your Hard Work. ASCAP/BMI/TuneCore, ETC......

****Wikiloops is a Great Venue For Practice, Sharing New Ideas, Camaraderie.

Thanks To Dick and Associates

Your's Truly,
Frank

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Facts need right terms.
I don't like the abuse of the term "industry" in wrong contexts. I hate the inflation of this wrong term in many cases.
Please visit or work in real industry department...:)
At no time we ever had a music industry.
I buy industrial products each day because I live in a industrial capitalistic society!
Last money for a music performer I spent 20 years ago.
Last time I have been sitting on a chair of a famous music company is 12 years ago.
No industry, no never. Big player on a VERY small market compared with industrial markets...
You don't need wrong terms to talk about society.
:)
PS the producers of machines to produce casette tapes or to produce CDs are industrial companies. The companies who print CDs are industry, too. Just walk in for a visit and watch their work in progress! Pure industry! 10000 CDs exactly the same...and some boring working places for packaging.
:)

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